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Repairing frames, dents, chips and knocks

I read in an earlier thread someone mention that moulding comes and so well packed these days that information technology is rarely damaged and that back in "ye olden days" a framer had to be adept at repairing harm.

This is still something that is useful to know and repairing chipped gesso and getting a match for the suppliers end can exist a test of a framers knowledge and skill. We have struggled on, learning equally nosotros get, mainly past our mistakes and I wondered if at that place was anywhere that provides training in this sort of affair. The Forum and the Grumble are proficient sources of information and suggestions simply there is nothing like some hands-on tutoring.

Anyone have any recommendations?

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Re: Repairing frames, dents, fries and knocks

Postal service by markw » Fri 10 Apr, 2009 9:13 pm

Arm yourself with an array of fillers and waxes every bit well equally a little noesis.

impairment to mouldings doesn't simply occur in transit - the odd slip in product can ofttimes pb to an embarrassing paring that makes the task unpresentable. Dents tin can often exist persuaded to disappear by swelling them out - boiling water on a cotton wool wool swab works wonders - if the moulding has a lacquered finish use a pin to puncture the surface.

Waxes - a mid chocolate-brown - black patinating and liming wax are all useful - equally are some of the more specific colours, aureate silvers etc. On near surfaces waxes can be used to disguise blemishes - be conscientious on waxed finishes. the best applicator is a standard issue digit - with waxes dabbed non rubbed. allow fourth dimension for finishers to dry. Fillers of diverse colours tin be mixed - when you lot dont accept the right colour wood tin be sanded off and mixed with a little pva to make a perfect match.


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Re: Repairing frames, dents, chips and knocks

Postal service by Roboframer » Friday 10 Apr, 2009 9:49 pm

I've never heard of a course in frame repair - not as in a newly made frame that has self inflicted damage
(If it's not self inflicted - send it back!)

Enough on restoration though - merely that'due south for frames WORTH restoring.

Frankly, for the fourth dimension information technology takes to fill in and friction match up a little annoying (only yet glaring) dink - I'd rather, for nearly mouldings, but have a deep breath and give information technology 'Long sides in to brusque sides - new long sides'

If you are in to mitt finishing though, you will have plenty of stuff near to have a pot at information technology - but still you have to think about how much time it is going to add to the job - how much would y'all be charging someone that brought in a frame for this type of repair, and is that more than it would toll to supercede it?


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Postal service by markw » Fri 10 Apr, 2009 11:51 pm

Cocky inflicted is the correct term in nigh cases John. Had a client damage a frame past shutting his machine door on it the other solar day - fifty-fifty through bubble wrap he managed to inflict a nasty footling paring. quick awarding of very hot cotton fiber wool swab swelled the forest enough to set the trouble. I would also agree that if its more than a quick touch up your wasting fourth dimension.


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Mail service by framemaker » Sabbatum 11 Apr, 2009 12:42 pm

I agree with Roboframer, in my experience repairs to factory finished mouldings are time consuming, and it is very difficult to lucifer finishes to a reasonable standard.

I go lots of frames brought to me by galleries or artists with modest chips and scuffs, these take usually done the rounds and been to various dissimilar galleries, where the idea of conscientious handling of framed paintings does not be!

If the damaged frame is a standard finished moulding information technology is commonly merely replaced, and sometimes it is upgraded with a manus fabricated frame which is more than expensive but more probable to sell if presented very well.

If the frame is a solid painted cease we normally sand dorsum and paint the whole frame. I find that water gilded frames (where the price of repair is considerably less than a new frame) with fries to the gesso/gilding are a hell of alot easier to repair and perfectly lucifer than a factory finish with foil or metal leaf.

With a chip on a suppliers finished frame such as GAL/seven or similar apartment profile with metal leafage or foil you can make full the chip with wood filler and then match with gilt creams or fillers but to my center the area would notwithstanding stick out, gilt affect upward creams reverberate calorie-free differently to leaf/foil and are e'er going to stand out.

Manifestly profiles are just not worth the hassle, but more ornate profiles, often with heavy washes and pitiful are much easier to repair to a reasonable standard and inside an adequate time. The variation in the surface textures and colours on ornate frames are very forgiving and arrive easy to blend a repair in.


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Re: Repairing frames, dents, chips and knocks

Post past gesso » Sat 11 Apr, 2009 12:54 pm

If the moulding comes damaged from the supplier Its straight on the phone and get them to send a replacement. I've spent hours repairing damaged mouldings and I am a very experienced (22 yrs) HFer. anyone bringing me a manufactured frame for repair are asked if they take an blank cheque, equally it will exist charged at what it takes with no guarantees (I'grand not a clemency) Its hard enough to repair (to a good standard) a HF frame let alone the carp that passes as manufactured now a days.

and then usually its a 'start once more from new' or sometimes its best to just say no!

as to your question on learning if you tin can go hold of good books on gilding, french polishing and wood/furniture restoration you'll have all the info in that location to manage anything that comes your way


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Re: Repairing frames, dents, chips and knocks

Post by prospero » Saturday 11 April, 2009 v:53 pm

It was flaws in mill-finished moulding that drove me to hand-finishing. After all, what is hand-finishing but touching-upwardly taken to the nth degree. :P Some factory moulding touch-upward very nicely. Others are near impossible, or at least unfeasable from an economical betoken of veiw. Dents, spilts, knots, etc, agree no terrors for me whatsoever more. Plus, if a frame gets damaged later on I can repair the finish perfectly.

Case: A gallery I do a lot of framing for had two big paintings framed in a 4" wide flat gilded moulding. Nice finish only veeery delicate. Someone stuck a toll characterization on the frame with blu-tak. :? Someone bought the painting. They took characterization off together with a clamper of leaf leaving a red patch. :o Bought frame to yours truely for touch-upwards. Considering of the very subtle gradated toning over the foliage, plus the fact that the moulding was flat, there was no way I could patch it. Instead I stripped the gold off the whole frame (didn't take much effort) and regilded information technology with gold pulverisation. The only alternative was to replace the frame in the same moulding. Not a cheap proposition given the size of the frames (51" sq).

Did I say two large paintings? Yes, they did the aforementioned with the other one. :roll:

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Re: Repairing frames, dents, fries and knocks

Post by Moglet » Sabbatum 11 Apr, 2009 vii:40 pm

prospero wrote:Information technology was flaws in mill-finished moulding that drove me to hand-finishing.

I took the coward's way out and went for Larson Juhl... :oops:

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Re: Repairing frames, dents, fries and knocks

Mail service by Not your boilerplate framer » Sat 11 Apr, 2009 seven:42 pm

I remember that near so called "bear upon-upwards" materials (i.e. wax fillers, etc) are but suitable for small chips on the outside edges of mitres and express in what they can acheive. Nosotros ALL should know when it's time to forget it and make a new frame. You lot can normally re-brand a duff frame into a prepare fabricated to recover your costs, so why waste matter your fourth dimension?

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